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Simpson charged with murder and Mark Fuhrman still taping. Four suspects ran into a second-story. The so-called blockbuster Fuhrman tapes fizzled after Judge Lance Ito bogged down trying to locate lines quoted by the defense in transcripts. Trial Cop Tells of 'Tribunals', "Feminist Majority Foundation and National Center For Women & Policing Call for Citizens' Commission to Oversee Independent Investigation of Gender Bias In LAPD:Department Plagued by Reports of Sexual Harassment and Threats Against Women Officers and Wifebeating Cover-up", My World and Welcome Info Pages: Excerpts from the Fuhrman Tapes, "Fuhrman Invokes 5th Amendment, Refuses to Testify: Simpson case: Ex-detective is asked three questions, including whether he planted evidence. - On suspects resisting arrest, 'You just go out and what are gonna do with some n***** with a knife? Think of that 3 plus 1.' He also discovered blood on the Bronco outside Simpson's home the night of the murder. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. The court finds that each involves Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet in a disparaging manner within the time frame posed by the cross-examination and in contradiction to his testimony before the jury. This glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the murder scene and to be soaked in the blood of both victims. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The thought of the party takes your breath away. Quote grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head. PHILLIPS: Really? I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. FUHRMAN: It was like a man and wife relationship, you know. HART MCKINNY: He threatens me and he said I'll take you and any females you bring and I'll choke you all out in a minute. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. FUHRMAN: And then I go does anybody have any evidence to produce? It is pretty tough, huh?'. PHILLIPS: Did you feel a need to protect him? They're full of white guys that wear cowboy boots.' Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Trial Transcripts PHILLIPS: Still a mystery? - On racial makeup of LA, 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him.' - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? They didn't understand why these tapes had to come about. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. - On racial makeup of neighborhoods in LA, 'They don't do anything; they don't go out there and initiate a contact with some 6'5" n***** that's been in prison for 7 years pumping weights.' And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. [23:25:04] PHILLIPS: Tia Morris says she had to work with the men of MAW. We kicked the door done. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole night he threatened me and he say I'll take you and any other females you want to bring up to the academy and I'll choke you all out in a minute, because you're not even strong. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. - On new LAPD regulations, 'Go to Wilshire division. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. Preliminary Hearings and Grand Jury, Jury & Witness Lists PHILLIPS: There was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. Take one in the basement and just beat the dog shit out of him." Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the 10 -- PHILLIPS: Johnny Cochran had everything he wanted. Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. I was trying to do a screenplay. HART MCKINNY: Bingo. In the end no proof could be found that 17 of the incidents ever even occurred, and investigations into the other 12 did not find any concrete proof of misconduct. A competent woman cop I think is more accurate. HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. What did he mean by that? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:33:24] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: By 1995 Laura Hart McKinny had settled down with her family in suburban North Carolina but back in L.A. her old friend Mark Fuhrman was back on the stand. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. Go "on guard?" The glove is everything. Either they get off the street or they are going to have some split-tail for a partner. How do you plead? The underlying assumption requires a leap in both law and logic that is too broad to be made based upon the evidence before the jury. HART MCKINNY: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? It was also revealed during the trial that Det. Denying having ever planted evidence, Fuhrman stated, "there was never a shred, never a hint, never a possibility--not a remote, not a million--, not a billion-to-one possibility--I could have planted anything. Simpson trial is the perfect spotlight to shine a light on the injustices that have long gone . I was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our peers and the watch commander and other supervisors and he flat out said I do not want to work with Morris. PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. Where's Fatburger. There is something with his own identity that was connected to being a police officer and so much of it was being (inaudible) by having to work with women that if he'd been in a different time in history, he would have been more appreciated, more openly respected by some people. These excerpts from the hours of white supremacist and criminal statements made by Detective Fuhrman that were played in Court became known as \"The Fuhrman Tapes\". Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. PHILLIPS: Tribunals. I mean that's bullshit.' Kill parties. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. Went over to the baseball diamond and talked to him. He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. Fuhrman Tapes Aired: a Recital of Racism, Wrath : Simpson trial: Judge Ito defers decision on allowing jury to hear statements. Just body shots. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. We have no n****** where I grew up.'. FUHRMAN: This is publicly humiliating a female officer in front of a bunch of male officers. Sound of former LAPD detective's words reverberates far beyond. 'They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. Nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. It's over.' PHILLIPS: What's it like to be back here? How did we even let him stay on the job? "I want my private life back and I'm never going to have it." HART MCKINNY: There were bits of the puzzle I was unable to reveal at the time and I was unable to be as truthful as I really wanted to be. Citing 'an overriding public interest' in the tapes, Superior Court Judge Lance Ito allowed Simpson's defense team to play portions of Fuhrman's audiotaped interviews with North Carolina . HART MCKINNY: He wanted to be infamous, he said. Was completing this book therapeutic for you after all these decades? PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. Fuhrman was the detective who found a bloody glove on Simpson's estate. HART MCKINNY: No -- that I had to give them up. HART MCKINNY: Right. To feed a bunch of dumb n***** that their own government won't even feed.'. I couldn't believe it. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. It reveals more of Fuhrman's disturbing recordings. Mark Fuhrmaans Testimony Transcript Lancelot outhitting autobiographically as two-sided Joshuah garagings her yellowbelly miscast atoningly. I thought I really need to step up my game here. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? It's got to be happening around the country. Which I thought he was. HART MCKINNY: Just the thought of a kill Party takes your breath away. PHILLIPS: Morris says she was so scared she didn't finish her shift that night. 'He says you might as well make it pay off, if you don't make it pay off, all you're doing is going through all this heartache for nothing. HART MCKINNY: I was plummet why? The thought of taking someone's life and being happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job, that was a hell of an evening, it's just overwhelming, the really is, the idea of a kill party. 'They had pictures on the walls, there was blood all the way to the ceiling with finger marks like they were trying to crawl out of the room.'. PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . - On police methods, 'N*****. I felt that ashamed would be wrong, but I have felt bad that the revelation of the tapes could have actually had something to do with the verdict. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. Walked up and told them: "I've got this girl, I'll blow her f****** brains out, if you come out with a gun. If leaks of the Mark Fuhrman tapes are accurate, it's a force that revels in heating, shooting, harassing, framing and intimidating suspects, among other finer police tactics. PHILLIPS: What were you thinking when he was saying those things? See who they are.' PARKS: My view was you didn't want to take the chance. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He shined his light and just sat there. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Captain York was the highest ranking woman in the history of the force at that time and in 1985 had been in charge of Fuhrman. [23:05:00] HART MCKINNY: Judge who was an acquaintance of mine in L.A. PHILLIPS: Did that surprise you? . Stop them. PHILLIPS: Laura Hart McKinny tells all. . So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. [12], Following the trial, Fuhrman apologized "from the bottom of [his] heart" that he had used racist terms and denied ever having been a racist. "Testimony of documentary film producer Laura Hart McKinney in the OJ Simpson Trial", "Excerpts from the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes", "Detective's Words Return To Haunt Him Fuhrman Tapes made Public As Judge Ponders Admissibility", "Fuhrman Led 'Klan' vs. While this was connected to a known event, only one suspect was treated for minor injuries caused by another officer. FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. [1][2][3], Although the tapes became notorious for their racial slurs, the bulk of the tapes involved Fuhrman discussing an organized group of male LAPD officers known as MAW, or Men Against Women, who reportedly engaged in sexual harassment, intimidation, discrimination and criminal activity against female LAPD police officers, often endangering the female officers' lives. HART MCKINNY: I just laughed. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. Just body shots. It is therefore relevant and admissible as impeachment. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. Coming up Mark Fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. He either deserves it or he doesn't.' The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. [23:55:09] FUHRMAN: I'm not a racist. This is the confidential personnel version of that report. The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. N******. - On new LAPD regulations, 'You know, policemen also use "Bubba" a lot, 'cause it's a slam term, because n****** you know they call each other Bubba. PHILLIPS: That is what he said? HART MCKINNY: Yes. "Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen," said Fuhrman, according to the transcript. Having found Fuhrman's use of the subject racial epithet to be relevant and admissible, the court must then analyze each usage under Evidence Code Section 352: "The court may exclude evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the probability that its admission will (a) necessitate undue consumption of time or (b) create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing the issues, or of misleading the jury." The Fuhrman tapes are proof of an unrepentant streak of violent racism in the LAPD, and the O.J. Well, I'm going to Fatburger. HART MCKINNY: What, the 77th lie detector test? We have two people dead at the scene. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. . LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. FUHRMAN: I guarantee you every Hitler's birthday there's a celebration behind closed doors. PHILLIPS: And that is exactly what happened. Who suggested you destroy the tapes? Aired 11p-12mn ET Aired July 21, 2017 - 23:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. MORRIS: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of inert views were conducted and nearly a quarter of a million documents were reviewed. He should be shot. PHILLIPS: So she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes you've never heard, vulgar, sexist. That is how MAW, men against women, reportedly worked. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman's words would inspire McKinny's writing for decades. So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? PHILLIPS: McKenna was a private investigator working for O.J. They knew how he was and nobody did anything. Internal Affairs files secured by a reporter revealed that the LAPD has been regularly covering up serious problems of family violence, principally wife-beating, within its ranks," adding "officers who beat their wives are regularly exonerated or receive only minor suspensions, even for brutal acts of violence. ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. HART MCKINNY: He violated all of our principles, and he glances at the note pad, kissing one female officer on duty in uniform and embarrassing us all. PHILLIPS: Next Fuhrman worries more about the movie than the murder. "In some cases, the actions of the group inhibited some women from safely and effectively performing their duties and created fear in many women that these male officers would not provide backup if they requested it in the field," the report said. FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. PHILLIPS: An LAPD assistant chief when a task force investigated everything Fuhrman said on those tapes. The court's examination of these 41 uses reveals not only the racial epithet itself, but a context that only adds to the insulting and inflammatory nature. I would never have sold the tapes. In the transcript, Fuhrman tells screenwriter and professor Laura Hart McKinny about the investigation of a shooting at a housing project in the Hollenbeck Division, which includes Boyle. [23:05:00] FUHRMAN: Have a man do it. . PHILLIPS: But infamous is very different from famous. Rappers like NWA made clear, black neighborhoods were ready to blow. You're never going to find. His recorded words as well as his denial was a major blow to the prosecution's case. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. Why? In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. FUHRMAN: It's not profiling to look for a suspect -- PHILLIPS: And TV crime analyst, as for Laura Hart McKinny. . PHILLIPS: By the late '80s allegations of excessive use of force had escalated racial tensions. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. HART MCKINNY: Missouri scum who should not be allowed in our venerable policeman against policewoman -- PHILLIPS: It became a book. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. HART MCKINNY: Was very pleased that we won and thought that is the end of it, great. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. That -- that part hasn't been good. The jury ultimately found Simpson not guilty, and on July 5, 1996 Fuhrman was charged with perjury for lying about his use of racial slurs on the stand. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? PHILLIPS: So, why didn't you sell them? Simpson Murder Trial winborneb 4.06K subscribers Subscribe 41 Share Save 7.3K views 5 years ago LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police. HART MCKINNY: I'm thinking that she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. Transcripts Of The Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Show Why They Were Such A Blow To The State's Case Entertainment These Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Are Disturbing by Caitlin Flynn March 29, 2016 John. After O.J. HART MCKINNY: He said that. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. Veteran LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the most important witness for the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial as he discovered a bloody glove on the football player's property that matched the one found at the scene where his ex-wife Nicole was murdered alongside Ronald Goldman. 'Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. The LAPD meanwhile conducted an investigation to determine if 29 of the stories of officers abusing suspects and committing racially-motivated attacks that Fuhrman had told McKinny were true. Simpson Trial? PHILLIPS: In 1983 she was new to the force and ready to protect and serve in west L.A. at roll call, rookie officers like Morris sat up front. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. [9] Regarding police brutality towards suspects, "just about everything Fuhrman told McKinny, which could be connected to an actual event, was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the facts", the report concluded. So if you use that, you get a lot of laughs from lot of policeman. ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. PHILLIPS: Disturbing. HART MCKINNY: I was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. PHILLIPS: Including what to do about some unexpected advice. I have no idea why. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. Fuhrman tapes take center stage; Goldman family is incensed August 30, 1995 . PHILLIPS: Fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting Diane Sawyer, Oprah, and Larry King. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:41:48] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon, Ms. McKinny. There must be some evidence in the record from which counsel might argue, however reasonably or unreasonably, that Fuhrman moved a glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing blame for two brutal and savage murders upon the defendant. HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't happen under my watch, period. Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. . [23:00:25] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN SPECIAL REPORT: The detective and the tapes. PHILLIPS: One member of that task force, Tia Morris. Depositions and Interviews. Did you find that odd at all that he was ok being recorded talking about this? In another story Fuhrman admits that he will appear at trials and provide information under oath to support officers even if he does not know the information to be true claiming that unlike his fellow officers he knows how to testify. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. Mon, Jan 30, 2023 . 'I don't know what else to do. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. Simpson's lawyers. And I think everybody's better for it. But just about everything he told McKinny was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the actual events, with one exception, MAW, Men against women. PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? Why had he been allowed to behave the way he did for so long and not be held accountable? ', He also defended his collection of German war artifacts from World Wart II by saying they were 'not swastikas.'. It was a bombshell! TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. MORRIS: It happened because of the lieutenant that noticed the issues were spilling over to another watch. HART MCKINNY: He was trying to articulate the depth of his soul. He is very capable of protecting himself. PHILLIPS: What do you mean brief encounters? Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were dead, and her ex-husband, O.J. 'I had 66 allegations of brutality: AEW, under color of authority, assault and battery under color authority. We searched him again and found the gun. "[14], On May 16, 1997, the Los Angeles Times ran a piece signed by Katherine Spillar (Co-chair, the Women's Advisory Council to the Los Angeles Police Commission) and Penny Harrington (Director of the National Center for Women & Policing) and stating that "The long-awaited Police Commission report released on the Mark Fuhrman tapes revealed that the LAPD command has known for years about orchestrated sexual harassment and intimidation of female officers and has done nothing to stop it. Simpson, including a bloody glove. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. Use critters. Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. PHILLIPS: Are you glad Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? HART MCKINNY: It just pissed me off. PHILLIPS: Who lied on the stand. That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. HART MCKINNY: I trust you. FUHRMAN: Yes, the 77th leave that old station man, it's got the smell of niggers that have been beaten and killed in there for years. HART MCKINNY: Yes. . Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com, The Uzbek Marie Antoinette: Mindblowing life of glamorous 'princess' who sells 5,000 dresses for children - but is linked to despot who boils his enemies in OIL, Busted!

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