composite chiron in 12th house

Whatever I told you would not have a context. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Thank you for your answer. At all. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. We communicated telepathically and still do. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. oh gosh do not i know this! What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Just a knowing if you will. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? He knows me better than I know myself at times. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Hes Gemini sun . Transit Uranus in the Composite 12th House. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Am i trapping my self? My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Is Your experience the same? Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Thank you, Dawn. Our physical connection was addicting. Together we share a Mars 12th. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. let go or fight for it? We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Composites are entirely hypothetical, but can provide key understanding to some relationship dynamics. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. Thank you very much Dawn. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. along with Juno. In the end it was his choice to end it. You may feel stressed out about something together or in the relationship, and need to work on this. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? But, our composite chart is weird. Gilly. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? And I learned a lot too. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Youre a poet of poets. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. I have met my match. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Chiron in 12th House . Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. It's on my twelfth house and I don't really understand how to interpret that. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. so we find the True in each other. intresting to know why its so bad. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. What is your thought on this. Hello, Skye. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. He told me that had never happened to him before (referring to how we couldnt control ourselves). It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Is this why I am feeling this more? We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. I cant stop the regretful feelings. We have had such a difficult relationship. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. so we find the True in each other. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Who cares? Because thats what it feels like! hello, nice article Dawn. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) You explain the ineffable. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. When the transit Moon is in the composite 6th house, you may be a little emotionally picky in the relationship, and can be a little judgy with one another. Please your opinion. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. It isnt bad, its difficult. Learn how your comment data is processed. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Good luck. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. What do you think? WhiteLotus. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. hi dawn. Hey Dawn! Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). This makes so much sense. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Synastries (especially composite charts) are complicated and if confused (or you feel threatened) you should consult a professional. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. I have read at least books regarding the 12th house, and its not easy to comprehend the needs of the 12th. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). thank you for post! Composite Saturn is in the 1st. !! This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. I am NOT usually like this. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Anything different there? If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. P.S. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Chiron In 1st House, Chiron In First House Meaning; Sun In 1st House, Sun In First . I f these planets and points are emphasized in the synastry chart, chances are that you have dealt with each other before. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? We both have natal moon in house 12. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. This resonates with me. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I don know what to do. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. Composite Sun in the 2nd House. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Our situation was kind of complicated. I was heart broken all over again. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. Any advice would be helpful. I dont know whether this situation is karma? The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. The strong feeling of dissatisfaction also leads to feelings of emptiness-in actions and also in spirit. Hello dawn Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Thanks! Composite Venus in the 12th House. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. The ego thing is very true. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. This might lead to a sense of belonging and having a lot of things in common. I am sufficiently haunted. now chiron. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. It also works the other way. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly.

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